At a Glance
A turnaround story: a high-needs Brooklyn elementary school that's surged from 12% to 66% ELA proficiency in eight years
Families who want strong academics in a small-school setting and are committed to consistent attendance support — particularly those who value teacher-led school culture and are comfortable with the trade-offs of a high-need neighborhood (excellent transit, lower safety scores). This school is not for families seeking a traditional high-income neighborhood school environment, but it is a strong option for families who want academic rigor without screened admissions and who appreciate that their child will be in a predominantly Black community with strong cultural ties.
- Dramatic academic turnaround — from 12% to 66% ELA proficiency in nine years
- Zero suspensions for three consecutive years — a restorative discipline approach
- Exceptional teacher-principal trust (100%) and instruction quality (98%)
- Small class sizes averaging under 20 students
- Math proficiency (77%) significantly exceeds district and city averages
- Strong parent-principal trust (95%)
- Chronic absenteeism is very high at nearly 50% — families should understand what support exists for attendance
- The neighborhood has low safety scores (19th percentile) — a real consideration for families
- Parent satisfaction (90%) is slightly below the district average (93%)
- Very small teacher survey sample (24 responses) — while high trust is positive, it's a limited snapshot
- The school is small (218 students) — benefits include personalization, but may mean fewer extracurricular options
- High economic need (90%) means many students face out-of-school challenges that affect learning
Based on 2024-2025 data
School SummaryDistrict 23
Among District 23 peer schools, P.S. 165 stands out as a top performer. While schools like Brooklyn Landmark Elementary (80/100) and Imagine Me Leadership (73/100) score in the 70s and 80s, P.S. 165's 2.86/4 overall score and 66-77% proficiency rates place it at or near the top of the district's elementary options. Unlike some peer schools that are charter or screened, P.S. 165 is unscreened, meaning these gains are happening with a general-admission population.
P.S. 165 has undergone a dramatic academic transformation. In 2016, just 12% of students were proficient in ELA and 7% in math — well below city averages. By 2025, those numbers have jumped to 66% ELA and 77% math, both substantially above the District 23 averages of 52% and 51% respectively. The school's overall score of 2.86/4 also significantly exceeds the district average of 2.06. Grade 3 performance is especially strong (83% ELA, 90% math), suggesting early literacy and math foundations are taking hold. The trend line shows consistent improvement year over year, with the most dramatic gains in the past two years.
The school's culture data reveals a distinctive pattern: teachers and parents report very high trust in leadership (teacher-principal trust at 100%, parent-principal trust at 95%), and teacher-reported instruction quality is exceptional at 98% — well above the district average of 89%. Safety is also perceived positively (91%). However, chronic absenteeism is a significant concern at nearly 50%, which drags overall attendance to 87.4% (slightly below the district average). The school has maintained a zero suspension rate for three consecutive years, indicating a restorative or non-punitive approach to discipline. The trade-off appears to be: strong internal climate and relationships, but attendance patterns suggest some families face barriers to getting kids to school consistently.
P.S. 165 serves 218 students, predominantly Black (83%) with Hispanic students comprising 14% — reflecting the demographics of Brownsville, which is one of Brooklyn's highest-poverty neighborhoods. Nearly 90% of students qualify for free or reduced lunch (economic need index of 89.7%), and 19% have IEPs. The diversity index is relatively low at 33%, meaning the student body is fairly homogeneous — which can foster a strong sense of community but less exposure to diverse perspectives. At 218 students across grades PK-5, the school is small, which often translates to more personalized attention.
Brownsville is a neighborhood of deep contrasts. Families here face significant economic hardship — median income is around $33,000 and poverty affects more than a third of residents. The neighborhood scores very low on safety (19th percentile) and stability (11th percentile), which is a reality for families considering schools here. On the upside, transit access is excellent (87th percentile), making commutes manageable, and the area has community resources including neighborhood centers and playgrounds. Education orientation is moderate (39th percentile), suggesting this isn't a hyper-competitive academic enclave — rather, it's a working-class neighborhood where schools like P.S. 165 are doing the heavy lifting.
The neighborhood is walkable with decent street-level infrastructure, and the area is well-served by public transit — families without cars can reasonably commute. However, the low safety score means evening events or after-school activities may require extra attention to timing and routes.
Academic Performance
ELA Proficiency
Students scoring proficient or above on the NY State ELA exam.
NYC DOE InfoHub · 2022-23
Math Proficiency
Students scoring proficient or above on the NY State Math exam.
NYC DOE InfoHub · 2022-23
Survey Results
NYC School Survey (2025) · 105 families responded (54% rate)
Racial & Ethnic Diversity
NYC DOE InfoHub · 2022-23
Economic Need & Special Populations
Discipline
NYSED Student & Educator Database (2023-24)
Frequently Asked Questions
- Is P.S. 165 Ida Posner a good school?
- On Motley, P.S. 165 Ida Posner earns an overall quality score of 72/100 — a blend of New York State ELA and math results, attendance, and the school-climate survey. Its state test results run above the District 23 average.
- What grades does P.S. 165 Ida Posner serve?
- P.S. 165 Ida Posner serves grades Pre-K to 5.
- How do students get into P.S. 165 Ida Posner?
- P.S. 165 Ida Posner admits by application through a random lottery, with no academic screen.
- Is P.S. 165 Ida Posner public, charter, or private?
- P.S. 165 Ida Posner is a public school in NYC Community School District 23.
- What neighborhood is P.S. 165 Ida Posner in?
- P.S. 165 Ida Posner is in Brownsville, Brooklyn.
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