At a Glance
A welcoming zoned Upper West Side school where families feel deeply connected and academics have climbed steadily over the past decade
Best suited for
Families zoned for the school who value a warm, relationship-driven community and high parent engagement over top-of-the-district test scores, and who are comfortable asking direct questions about attendance and fifth-grade math supports.
Overall Rating
Rating = average of NY State ELA + math proficiency, grades 3–8
Bands are Motley's thresholds on a 0–100 scale, not New York State performance levels.
How this is scored→What stands out
- Zero suspensions for three consecutive years — a standout climate signal
- Parent satisfaction, parent-teacher trust, and parent-principal trust all in the 97–98% range, well above district norms
- Teacher-reported safety at 99% — one of the strongest signals in the district
- Strong relationships score of 100% on the school survey
- A genuinely diverse student body with a higher economic need index than the surrounding neighborhood would suggest
- Family survey response rate of 81%, indicating unusually high parent engagement for a city school
Things to consider
- Academic proficiency in both ELA and math sits below district averages, and fifth-grade math in particular is notably lower than the school's other grades
- Chronic absenteeism is at 57.8% — the most significant climate concern in an otherwise strong culture picture
- PTA fundraising per student ($186) is far below the district average of $627, which may reflect the school's economic need index and could limit enrichment programming
- The student body is more economically diverse than the relatively affluent neighborhood around it, which is a strength for integration but means the school serves families with varying levels of outside resources
- Test scores have fluctuated year to year since 2019 rather than steadily climbing, so the upward trend is real but not linear
Based on 2025 data
School SummaryDistrict 3
P.S. 165's 2.01 overall quality review sits below the district 3 average of about 2.27, and it ranks below the district's most celebrated peers — though those include highly selective screened schools like the Special Music School and The Anderson, plus Success Academy charters, which serve fundamentally different populations. Among traditional zoned elementary schools in the area, P.S. 165's stronger peer comparison is P.S. 166, which scores notably higher on the city quality review. Within District 3's general education zoned landscape, P.S. 165 is a solid middle-of-the-pack option with exceptional climate metrics that don't always show up in summary scores.
Academics
P.S. 165's current proficiency rates — 54.3% in ELA and 46.1% in math — land below district averages of about 59% and 54% respectively, and the school's overall quality review of 2.01 out of 4 is also a notch below the district's 2.27. But the trend line is the more interesting story: ELA proficiency has climbed from 29.8% in 2016 to 54.3% in 2025, and math from 26.7% to 46.1% over the same span. Scores have bounced around year to year since 2019, with 2024 dipping before ELA bounced back in 2025. By grade, third and fourth graders perform reasonably, but fifth-grade math drops to 38.7%, which suggests something is happening in that final year that the school and parents should watch closely.
Culture
The climate picture here is genuinely strong on relationships and trust, but complicated by a serious attendance challenge. Parent satisfaction is 97% (well above the district's 88%), parent-teacher trust is 97%, and parent-principal trust hits 98%. Teachers report 99% safety and 93% trust in their principal — both above district norms. The school has reported zero suspensions for three consecutive years, which is remarkable for any city elementary. The flip side is that chronic absenteeism sits at 57.8%, meaning a majority of students miss enough school to be flagged — that figure is meaningfully above what you'd typically want to see, even in a post-pandemic city. Attendance rate is 89.2%, just a hair below the district's 90.4%. The trust and engagement are real; the attendance question is the one parents should ask about directly.
Community
P.S. 165's student body is majority Hispanic (51%), with White students making up 22%, Black students 17%, Asian students 8%, and a small multiracial share. The economic need index of 60.8 means a majority of students come from households facing financial pressure, and 19% of students have IEPs. The surrounding neighborhood census tract looks quite different — a $100K median income, 16.7% poverty rate, and 60.9% of adults holding a bachelor's degree — which tells you the school draws from a more economically mixed population than its Upper West Side address might suggest. The diversity index of 70% reflects a genuinely integrated student body.
Neighborhood
The school sits in the Manhattan Valley portion of the Upper West Side, a neighborhood with a $100,000 median household income, a 16.7% poverty rate, and 60.9% of adults holding at least a bachelor's degree. Homeownership is relatively low at 28%, and the median home value runs around $1.05 million — typical of this stretch of Manhattan. About 14% of households have children, which is modest for the city. It's a neighborhood of renters and owners side by side, with a mix of long-time families and newer arrivals drawn by Columbia-adjacent housing and the 1 train.
Very well connected by the 1 train: Cathedral Pkwy (110 St) is about a three-minute walk, 103 St is roughly six minutes, and 116 St-Columbia University is about eight minutes away. That gives families a clean crosstown-to-downtown commute without transfers.
Academic Performance
ELA Proficiency
Students scoring proficient or above on the NY State ELA exam.
NYC DOE InfoHub · 2022-23
Math Proficiency
Students scoring proficient or above on the NY State Math exam.
NYC DOE InfoHub · 2022-23
Historical Trends
The dashed line marks 2023, when New York changed its grades 3–8 state tests. Scores before and after it aren’t directly comparable.
2020–2021 data unavailable due to COVID-19
Source: NYC DOE School Quality Reports
Survey Results
NYC School Survey (2025) · 347 families responded (81% rate)
Racial & Ethnic Diversity
NYC DOE InfoHub · 2022-23
PTA Fundraising
Source: DOE Local Law 171 disclosure
Discipline
NYSED Student & Educator Database (2023-24)
Economic Need & Special Populations
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Pre-K
P.S. 165 Robert E. Simon also has Pre-K classes. They're a separate application from kindergarten, made on MySchools.
Pre-K application
Applications typically open in the winter and close in the spring, with offers in late spring; the city announces exact dates each year.
Kindergarten
P.S. 165 Robert E. Simon has an attendance zone. At elementary level, in-zone students get a guaranteed seat. Every family still applies on MySchools: the application confirms the zoned seat, and ranking other schools doesn't cost you it.
Kindergarten application
- Opens
- Wed, Dec 9
- Closes
- Fri, Jan 22
- Offers
- Tue, Mar 30
The DOE’s published dates.
- 1Check that your address is inside the zone — zones change, so confirm it before you sign a lease.
- 2Apply during the kindergarten application, even with a zoned seat.
- 3Rank this school along with any others you'd take, in true preference order.
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Frequently Asked Questions
- Is P.S. 165 Robert E. Simon a good school?
- On Motley, P.S. 165 Robert E. Simon earns an overall rating of 50/100 — the average of the school's New York State ELA and math proficiency, grades 3–8, shown out of 100. Its state test results run below the District 3 average.
- What grades does P.S. 165 Robert E. Simon serve?
- P.S. 165 Robert E. Simon serves grades Pre-K to 5.
- How do students get into P.S. 165 Robert E. Simon?
- P.S. 165 Robert E. Simon admits by zone — children who live in its attendance zone get a guaranteed seat.
- Is P.S. 165 Robert E. Simon public, charter, or private?
- P.S. 165 Robert E. Simon is a public school in NYC Community School District 3.
- What neighborhood is P.S. 165 Robert E. Simon in?
- P.S. 165 Robert E. Simon is in Upper West Side-Manhattan Valley, Manhattan.